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	<title>Comments on: Direxion&#8217;s New REIT ETF Posts 168% Gain In Six Months</title>
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		<title>By: REIT Wrecks</title>
		<link>http://reitwrecks.com/2010/01/direxions-new-reit-etf-posts-168-gain.html/comment-page-1#comment-19</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure Crabs (if you please), and I operate now with a much different perspective than the one I had in my banking days, but in my opinion that simply means there will FINALLY be more stuff for sale, not that prices are still falling off a cliff (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reitwrecks.com/2008/12/economics-of-coming-commercial-real.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more on why prices are falling here&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the demand side, there really is sh*tloads of money sitting on the sidelines, and there really is still a face off between buyers and sellers.  And those who don&#039;t have to sell just aren&#039;t selling.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A friend who manages a university endowment went into 2009 with $30 million in open commitments to more than 10 real estate funds, and he ended the year at $28 million open.  The reason? capital calls to pay management fees, nothing else - not one fund did a deal last year.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I spoke to a partner at one of the largest apartment management companies in country last week (privately held); they have plenty of internal cash earmarked for acquisitions, and they manage a $50 million, largely un-invested discretionary fund.  Nevertheless, they only did one deal all year - and that was at a 7 cap on an A- property in Central Florida, hardly what I would call exciting.  He said it was very challenging to find well-priced deals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A broker I speak with in the Midwest has 20 offers on a 492 unit (you&#039;d need to hire a mayor to manage the place) soon-to-be-bank owned C property, but the bank is not a forced seller, and they may decide just to run the place and wait it out.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another broker in Southern California has 20 offers on an A-/B+ property, many of which were far above initial expectations, but the seller, a certain CMBS servicer located in Kansas, believes time is on their side and won&#039;t pull the trigger.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We made an all-cash, 30 day close type offer on a non-institutional deal (under $10MM; tertiary market) but the seller has been la di da-ing all month long while they sit back and collect their rent checks....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The one exception to this may be land deals, but there is still plenty of cash being thrown at raw land even in Arizona, and I can send you the bid sheets....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think part of the reason for this is that there is so much more data available now than in 1990, and a lot of it has been democratized by the internet. Most people can see what&#039;s happening in almost real time, not only with loan maturities, but also with demographics and the development pipeline.  Consequently, there has been a ton of money raised against the opportunity, but no sensible seller will give away 20% IRRs.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I personally have been waiting for 2010 since late 2005, and fervently so since late 2008. However, my partners and I now think it&#039;s going to be a slow burn of bad deals over several years into a pirannha pond of private equity, and we&#039;ll need to be just as careful as we were in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure Crabs (if you please), and I operate now with a much different perspective than the one I had in my banking days, but in my opinion that simply means there will FINALLY be more stuff for sale, not that prices are still falling off a cliff (<a href="http://www.reitwrecks.com/2008/12/economics-of-coming-commercial-real.html" rel="nofollow">more on why prices are falling here</a>). </p>
<p>On the demand side, there really is sh*tloads of money sitting on the sidelines, and there really is still a face off between buyers and sellers.  And those who don&#39;t have to sell just aren&#39;t selling.</p>
<p>A friend who manages a university endowment went into 2009 with $30 million in open commitments to more than 10 real estate funds, and he ended the year at $28 million open.  The reason? capital calls to pay management fees, nothing else &#8211; not one fund did a deal last year.  </p>
<p>I spoke to a partner at one of the largest apartment management companies in country last week (privately held); they have plenty of internal cash earmarked for acquisitions, and they manage a $50 million, largely un-invested discretionary fund.  Nevertheless, they only did one deal all year &#8211; and that was at a 7 cap on an A- property in Central Florida, hardly what I would call exciting.  He said it was very challenging to find well-priced deals.</p>
<p>A broker I speak with in the Midwest has 20 offers on a 492 unit (you&#39;d need to hire a mayor to manage the place) soon-to-be-bank owned C property, but the bank is not a forced seller, and they may decide just to run the place and wait it out.  </p>
<p>Another broker in Southern California has 20 offers on an A-/B+ property, many of which were far above initial expectations, but the seller, a certain CMBS servicer located in Kansas, believes time is on their side and won&#39;t pull the trigger.</p>
<p>We made an all-cash, 30 day close type offer on a non-institutional deal (under $10MM; tertiary market) but the seller has been la di da-ing all month long while they sit back and collect their rent checks&#8230;.</p>
<p>The one exception to this may be land deals, but there is still plenty of cash being thrown at raw land even in Arizona, and I can send you the bid sheets&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think part of the reason for this is that there is so much more data available now than in 1990, and a lot of it has been democratized by the internet. Most people can see what&#39;s happening in almost real time, not only with loan maturities, but also with demographics and the development pipeline.  Consequently, there has been a ton of money raised against the opportunity, but no sensible seller will give away 20% IRRs.  </p>
<p>I personally have been waiting for 2010 since late 2005, and fervently so since late 2008. However, my partners and I now think it&#39;s going to be a slow burn of bad deals over several years into a pirannha pond of private equity, and we&#39;ll need to be just as careful as we were in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: crabsofsteel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RW,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good to see you back and in force.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over 9% of loans in CMBS are now in workout/modification mode.  All this supply hasn&#039;t hit the market yet, most of it isn&#039;t yet REO.  Don&#039;t you think that implies that we have further down to go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RW,</p>
<p>Good to see you back and in force.</p>
<p>Over 9% of loans in CMBS are now in workout/modification mode.  All this supply hasn&#39;t hit the market yet, most of it isn&#39;t yet REO.  Don&#39;t you think that implies that we have further down to go?</p>
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		<title>By: REIT Wrecks</title>
		<link>http://reitwrecks.com/2010/01/direxions-new-reit-etf-posts-168-gain.html/comment-page-1#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>REIT Wrecks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concrete Jungle - thanks.  For readers who may not be aware of it, Concrete Jungle writes &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecrereview.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The CRE Review&lt;/a&gt;, which is a great blog on commercial real estate and commercial real estate debt.  If you are interested in CRE and CMBS, you&#039;ll love the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concrete Jungle &#8211; thanks.  For readers who may not be aware of it, Concrete Jungle writes <a href="http://thecrereview.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The CRE Review</a>, which is a great blog on commercial real estate and commercial real estate debt.  If you are interested in CRE and CMBS, you&#39;ll love the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Real Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think things are bottoming out.</description>
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		<title>By: Concrete Jungle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concrete Jungle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. REIT equity had a good few months, but nothing supported by any fundamental change other than their astounding ability to actually raise more equity/debt even in this environment. BUT, I&#039;d run for the hills from most REIT equity right now. I&#039;d argue REIT debt is a better trade, and in some cases a higher yield oddly enough, but I&#039;m not a buyer of it at these levels either. CMBS is still outperforming, and overall has a better risk position as the GGP deal has proven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. REIT equity had a good few months, but nothing supported by any fundamental change other than their astounding ability to actually raise more equity/debt even in this environment. BUT, I&#39;d run for the hills from most REIT equity right now. I&#39;d argue REIT debt is a better trade, and in some cases a higher yield oddly enough, but I&#39;m not a buyer of it at these levels either. CMBS is still outperforming, and overall has a better risk position as the GGP deal has proven.</p>
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